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I Just Started the Racism Debate

Maybe George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin because he’s a hate-speech shouting racist. 

And maybe Zimmerman was acting out of self-defense because he considers Skittles a deadly weapon.

I don’t know.

Maybe Rick Santorum was about to call President Obama something disgustingly racist when he halted himself after saying the letters “NI—“ in a speech a few weeks ago. 

And maybe Santorum was about to call President Obama a “NI-ckelback fan,” which is almost as disgusting in my book.

I don’t know.

Humor aside, and truth be told, those incidents are lone moments in time, where the context is muddied and the details may never be known.  And I know people want to use these incidents to have a discussion about racism, but I think we’re going to result at an impasse without the bi-product of actually learning anything.

We are trying to examine the complex forest of racism by looking at individual trees.

It’s possible I will never understand racism fully, because I’m a white man in his 30s.  I also would guess that I wouldn’t understand sexism fully; nor would I (currently) understand ageism. 

And, being a teacher, frankly I doubt I’ll ever truly understand capitalism, either.

I do think there are three types of racists when it comes to caucasians: There are the Absolute Racists, the Accidental Racists, and the Racists in Denial.

The Absolute Racists are racists who know it, and say so with pride.  And that’s disturbing, but at least you know who you’re dealing with.

I would think (or, at least, I hope) that a majority of racist caucasians in this day and age file under “Accidental Racists.”  They’re decent, empathetic people whose only fault is they secretly harbor a paranoia that they might one day be seen as racist in some awkward situation; and they err towards the cliché of professing, “But I have several black friends!” in their defense of their own cultural naivety.  It doesn’t really solve anything to say that-- but at heart, you know they mean well.

In order not to appear racist, people tend to overcompensate in a ridiculous manner to appear better people than they actually are.  It’s not a perfect solution, but at least its progress in the name of goodwill.

And then there are the people I am most concerned about:  The Racists in Denial.  These are people who act in an obviously racist manner, as they are unable to hide their subconscious, spontaneous indignity for people of color, but are also unable to swallow the label itself.  They simply don’t want to admit they are what they are at heart. They are both racist, and dishonest with themselves as people.

And, with that, I bring you to the Republican Party.

Now, let’s be careful here:  I am not saying the entire Republican Party is completely full of racists.  I am saying, however, there has been a pattern of both overt and subtle racism within their party, and we need to have a national discussion about that for a long, long time.

Take Joe Wilson (R-SC) yelling “YOU LIE!” at the President of the United States during a nationally-televised speech to Congress (something he admits was “spontaneous”). 

Take Arizona Governor Jan Brewer, famously photographed wagging a finger in Obama’s face and saying she “felt threatened by him.”

Take the birthers movement.  Or the Tea Party activist who photoshopped Obama’s face in a family photo of chimps.  Or the Republicans who referenced Obama as a “tar baby.”

Now add that Santorum line into the context I’ve provided, instead of treating it as an isolated incident.

Whatever you think about Barack Obama’s policies, he will (and should) go down in history as a Jackie Robinson/Martin Luther King-esque figure.  No matter what the political future holds, the man holds the distinction of being first.  And, like the men of the generation before him, he has had to endure a level of disrespect in being first, and handled that with absolute dignity.  The question—and the discussion we need to have—is to what degree and level (if any) racism has affected the way people treat him as opposed to every other President to hold that dignified office.  

This group of events deserves our attention; because one event is debatable, but if a pattern emerges-- among the elected representatives of one political party in the United States of America, mind you-- that is troubling for our nation.  If the representatives of the people are acting in a manner of disrespect for the President because of racism, their constituents will act in the same fashion.

This wealth of moments leads to times where one might ask himself, “Are they standing in the way of the President’s ideas—ones they have proposed in similar fashions themselves—because he’s a Democrat, or because he’s African American?”  And that is a question we should not be asking about the representatives in our democracy 65 years after Jackie Robinson and almost 50 years since Martin Luther King. 

So I call on the media to talk about this the way we have dissected the Trayvon Martin tragedy: ad nauseam.  And I don't want it whispered.  I want it out loud.  I want RNC Chairman Reince Priebus called to the carpet daily to explain why his party is not what it could appear to be on every channel, every hour.  The media holds no taboos anymore, anyway.  We have discussed women’s contraception, so we might as well ask if the Republican Party has a reputation—or a purposeful agenda—of racism.

We don’t need accusations; we just need discussion. And we need to have this discussion now, while he is President, around every water cooler in America; because if we’re not willing to examine an is-it-or-isn’t-it political racism on the grandest stage in the entire world, we will have more Trayvon Martin discussions again later.

These are not trees.  This is a forest now.  And it is on fire.  Help put it out.

My prediction, by the way, is that once we have ten days of mass media asking if Republicans defy Obama because of his party or his skin color, and whether or not everyone should legitimately associate them with being racists—once that discussion is in the mainstream—I bet we suddenly find our government working together; maybe even agreeing again.  I bet the bi-product of this discussion, if nothing else concretely positive, is that the Republicans start working in a friendly manner with the President a whole lot more.

In order not to appear racist, people tend to overcompensate in a ridiculous manner to appear better people than they actually are. 

It’s not a perfect solution, but at least its progress in the name of goodwill.

Lynda Zielinski

10:42 am on Monday, April 9, 2012

First of all congratulations for daring to step out of the media safety zone! I agree, the big issue in our country is and has been race. I'll give a couple personal examples. I took my bi-racial grandson who was about six then to a flea market. We were leafing through a pile of old books when the dealer suddenly shouted: 'Those aren't for sale!' They were. He was an obvious racist. Another story: Commenting about my sore knee to a friend, she advised I better not vote for 'Obama-care' then. Puzzled, I asked why. "They'll be rationing care and people like us will be last in line," she told me. Trust me she is a nice lady. I realized something then, she doesn't trust the Presidents policies. They are good for 'others.' He is one of 'the other.' Yes, she is a Republican.( Not to say there aren't other reasons people are Republicans.) Anyway, it used to baffle me why making what ended up to be only a few tweaks to our messed up health care system could bring forth so much vehement opposition. Now I understand. Growing up in the 50's and 60's I do see improvement though. And still on a personal note, no one needs to be afraid of my grandson. He's a cream puff.

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Le'ah Keturah-Sarah Krzywkowski

9:15 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

As a 'mutt': born from a back ground of black, white, and everything in between, the 'race' dialogue in America has always had me very uncomfortable but at the same time, thankful for when it is opened on equal terms, equal terms meaning that everyone has a say, not just 'white' Anglo Americans, but those of us from diverse ethnic backgrounds. It is a big step in the right direction when we can discuss our tribulations, how discrimination, racism, prejudice effect our lives. when we can gather together without a political party in mind and acknowledge that the quality of life needs to improve in the country. On a similar yet different note: I have dual citizenship, and in my home land, there is also some serious racism going on, to the point of not only ethnic cleansing, but war zones, where missiles and rockets are fired on civilians....makes what happens in America seem like something that CAN be over come! We CAN get past this, I believe, it's just going to take a lot of effort, honesty and risks.

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James Thomas

10:53 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

So what you suggest is racial McCarthyism. Blackmail them until they they do what you think is best?
"These are not trees. This is a forest now. And it is on fire. Help put it out." You aren't anywhere near trying to put out the fire, you're stoking it.

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3:49 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

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Tim Torrence

12:40 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Racism is like ghost hunting. If you are looking for it you will find it regardless. But then again racism is also like sexual harassment. It has nothing to do with the intent of the words or actions you use but all to do with the manner in which they are interpreted. Maybe we can all interpret this quote: "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." –Joe Biden, referring to Barack. He's clean, as apposed to what Mr. Vice-President and Democrat Joe Biden? Maybe we can sit Debbie Wasserman Schultz on that platform too? Maybe we should ask our own president how he would place such an obvious racist on the presidential ticket with himself? Maybe we should ask Jessie Jackson and Al Shaprton why they refuse to be vocal about obvious racial violence on whites and Hispanics and Muslims and Jews and... and... and. And nothing. The race issue will not go away because the racial debate will always be one-sided. You want an honest debate get those people to answer those questions first. But be careful you will be labelled a racist just for asking.

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Drewgaf

4:52 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Tim, Thank you for using critical thinking in your post. I wish others would do the same. Emotion and ignorance rules the day among those who have no other argument than "racism".

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Steve Sweetnich

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Right on the mark...to suggest that Racism is a one way street is dishonest, flawed thinking and only exacerbates the problem. Violence and hatred based on color can not by definition be anything but wrong. ie Racist.

David

7:43 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Every person alive has racist thoughts at some point. No doubt about it. I don't dislike Obama's presidency because he's black, however; I dislike his presidency because of the systematic destruction he is causing. It is intentional and irreversible if not stopped. To say that someone like Joe Wilson or Jan Brewer is racist because of what they said is simply irresponsible and, as someone else noted in a comment, "stoking" the topic. It is offensive, I'm afire and irresponsible to call any one a racist because they disagree with anyone of any color. Obama disagrees with my views on taxes. I could no more fairly claim racism on his part than your claims make. Both are wrong and only further inflame the situation. These false claims of racism have to stop I'd we are ever going to have intelligent discussion on how to fix the big problems we face.

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David

7:45 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

My IPad changed a word to "afire". Should say it's immature and irresponsible.

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David

7:46 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I'd should be if. Hate the way Apple products do that.

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Phyllis Stager

8:21 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Mr. Giusto, in his speculation on whether various Caucasians are 'racists, left out any similar examples of racism from the likes of Reverend Wright, Farrakhan, or Najee Muhammad and so forth. From his essay, it would seem that racism is a one sided condition, afflicting only 'whites'. But at least he qualifies his musings with 'I don't know'.

It is, however, specious to label a person or group 'racist' when they disagree in principle with someone's political philosophy which happens to be antipodal to their own.

How do you account for people such as Charles Pierce, Lloyd Marcus, Alan Keyes, Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Star Parker, Shelby Steele, Herman Cain and so forth, who happen to embrace conservative values? They do not embrace our president's political philosophy. How should we label them?

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MLing

1:25 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Mr Giusto is simply fueling the "racist issue" strategy that is going to be a big theme in Obama's campaign. Racism is more prevent on the far left than in the mainstream right. Rather than treating them as fellow human beings and equally, the left simply overcompensates by bending over backwards to patronize people of another color. There are just so many people on the left who are racist. Jeremiah Wright, Jesse Jackson, Faracon, and on and on. Obama will fuel the race issue to hide his terrible failure as a president. Has nothing to do with his color!!. His policies are bankrupting the country and the thinking people will not stand for it. Unlike you Mr Giusto, the private sector is not insulated from economic downturns which affect our jobs, our benefits and our lives. We don't look to the taxpayers to make sure we get everything we want or bargained for at any cost. I suggest that you take some time to educate yourself about capitalism, since it is supplying your income. I'm sure you have a captive audience in your classroom, which gives you a "know it all" attitude, but you really need more experience in the real world before you attempt to school adults with your obvious limited knowledge and bias. So many of your examples and conclusions about Republicans just come off as simply ridiculous and completely out of touch with reality.

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Drewgaf

4:56 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Yes Phyllis, and those people you mentioned will be labeled "Uncle Toms" by left-leaning African-Americans.

Laurie

8:26 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Give me a break. First of all, George Zimmerman is Hispanic. Second, the shooting was as he was defending himself. Thank God we can still bear arms in this country. Third, Obama's comment that "Trayvon could be his son" did nothing but make this into a racist issue. IT IS AN ISSUE WITH KIDS TODAY - black, white, Hispanic, etc - too many thugs. Did the media happen to go national with the white guy 6 miles away being drug out of his car and beat within an inch of his life by 2 black males? I think not. Patch - come on - please don't post this nonsense. You are lighting fires where there don't need to be any. And I suppose no one made fun of Bush either - right?

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Brian

10:51 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Laurie, what are you saying about Zimmerman being hispanic, that he can't be racist? I don't follow the logic. I also didn't realize you were so close to the investigation or new Zimmerman personally to say the shooting was in self defense. Before you ask the Patch to stop posting nonsense you might want to stop yourself from posting nonsense.

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Tim Torrence

1:23 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

@ Brian. Laurie is correct in her first sentence, everything else is irrelevant. George Zimmerman must be excluded from this discussion based on the parameters set by the blog post. This post is about white, republican racism against black people. George Zimmerman is a declared Hispanic American and registered Democrat.

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Karen Kananian

1:41 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

A point well taken Laurie...

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David

3:02 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Lets not forget that the media has on occasion referred to Mr. Zimmerman as a "White -Hispanic". A racist comment if ever there was one, isn't it? The fact that Mr. Zimmerman is Hispanic, a democrat, and carries a gun legally was not part of the daily reporting of the media....they left out, for the most part, that he is a registered democrat - and they couldn't stand to not try to make him look like he was racist. He also mentored minority children in his neighborhood - a fact not often in the reports.

Teresa K.

8:30 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Here's my take: all whites are somewhat racist and all blacks are somewhat racist... and you can pick any color or group you want. Everyone is a little bit. Do they act on it? For the most part NO. It is simply wrong to treat a human being different because they look different. People cant help their FEELINGS but they can sure help they way they behave.

I think writers and bloggers pull the race card article for self recognition.
Racism canNOT be fixed unless we are all blinded. The best we can do is NOT treat people different, correct our OWN thoughts and have laws in place to ensure that no one gets away with hurting someone else.

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Drewgaf

5:02 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Seriously Biran???? Did you even read her post? She didn't say he was hispanic and therefore couldn't be a racist.

If Zimmerman was black, and Martin was white, would Sharpton had run down there to get his face all over TV? C'mon...that my friend is true racism. Those people picketting in Florida don't care about justice. If they did, they would be at every questionable incident. If Travon was white, and Zimmerman was black and not arrested (as in this case) they wouldn't be there. PERIOD.

keith a dewey

10:51 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Before I get to what I really want to say let me tell you what Social Science teaches us. A denigrated group is not, can not be racists to the group that is maligning them by definition. The sought upon group can be militant, can show overt hostility and be totally recalcitrant but are not racists. Reverse racism by definition is no racism. So when the put upon group cries racism by definition it is. The bully group that cries racism in return is perpetuating racism.

In the 50’s (blacks were being lynched in the south for being black) I was in a half white half black Champaign, IL grade school. I am the least prejudice liberal WASP there is. And yet I fall into perpetuating prejudice with out even knowing it. For years I used the expression; “keep your cotton picking hands off that …” Into my 50’s I still used that boyhood cliché. Then one day I said it to a black friend and saw his expression. I realized, for the first time, OOPS! I never said it again. That is a racist’s statement. And being called on it was not racist.

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Tim Torrence

1:45 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

So by your definition black people, who experience racism by an individual other than myself, were exonerated when 16 year old kids chased me around West Park when I was 8 and threw cinder blocks at my head and swung baseball bats. By your definition the fact that they were screaming, "Get that white piece of s**t" is not racist but socially justifiable. The day that I fought off four black kids with my backpack so my friend who was a girl could run home because 16 year old black kids were following us saying, "Mmmmm I could have fun with a cute little white girl like that" is not a racist act but socially justifiable. The fact that these events and others occurred only on May 1st as an organized event is not racist? Sometimes your books lie to you or at the very least are incomplete, racism is racism and must be treated as such. White guilt cannot justify racist acts by anyone else. Events like the ones I spoke of stick in your head but my mother taught me to treat each person as an individual and I expect to be treated as such. Any person who even has an inkling that I might be a racist based on the fact that I am white has just committed a racist act. That is by definition a fact.

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Drewgaf

5:07 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Keith, I would tend to agree with you if it were 1850, but your reasoning does not apply here. There is no group "maligning or denigrating" anyone. Everyone in America is free and equal under the law. So, since there is no one group of people maligned in this country, then everyone is a possible racist if they denigrate anyone from a different race. Therefore Black-White-Red-Green-Yellow-Purple can all be racists.

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tom m

8:19 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

most people really do not care what your socialist science teaches you But what I will teach you is this .... every race of people in every skin color and every religion have racists mixed into their groups and to blame a whole skin color/religion over a few bad apples is hypocritical (since there are a few people of your own skin color/religion who are racists also) so in short get over it

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Steve Sweetnich

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Your definitions are nonsense. Any real definition of racism...ie "hatred or intolerance of another race or other races" makes no such distinctions. To assert otherwise is intellectually dishonest and flawed, and send this debate backwards.

Karen Kananian

11:20 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I don't feel the Republican Party has judged our current President based on the color of his skin, as you so state in your article. I do, however, feel that they have judged him based on his performance during the past 4 years. You can't attach racism to broken promises...

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Ed Fisher

11:51 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Yes, I will agree that there is some residual racism in most of us. We are all a product of our upbringing, and many of us have had to "unlearn" or ignore some of the bad examples that the adults of our youth displayed. And, to this day, many of us live where we do based on carefully hidden racial reasons. And, yes, there is blatant racism on both sides. The very term "African-American" is racist in itself, and offensive to many, including me. Racism exists. All we can do is continue to resist subscribing to it.

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Tim Torrence

1:56 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Wait, I missed it when "African-American" became a racist word. When did that happen? And must I stop calling people Irish-American too? Is that racist to Irish people or non-Irish people?

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Tim Torrence

2:05 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

One more question. Wouldn't this prevent the Census Bureau from collecting ethic data so as to not offend people?

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David

3:09 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I've often said that teaching diversity has the exact opposite effect on our kids as what is intended - we should be teaching unity, not dividing in to individual identity groups. Celebrate our culture, but don't focus so much on it. Why can't we just all be American-Americans?

Debbie S.

12:06 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Puts me in mind of this song from the Broadway show "Avenue Q": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM

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h

4:23 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

why cant we all just get along?!

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tom m

5:12 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I was born in america and look at myself and all others who live here as americans ...that being said I think everyone in america has a little racism in them against another race at one time or another against someone of a different skin color (and before some of you jump up on your high horse denying you ever uttered a racist remark) ... who among us wants to step foward and claim they never ever told a joke about another person of a different skin color before ..never ever even once

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David

5:17 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

....and racism knows no political boundaries.

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Damon koch

5:18 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

None of the examples you give prove your case, i.e. why and how is Joe Wilson yelling "You lie." at a President who lied, racist? It was inappropriate at a State of The Union but so was the President dressing down the Supreme Court whil they were in the audience of the 2010 State of The Union on the Citizen's United case. Facts are a stubborn thing and the fact is that the Democrat party has had a much more racist past than the Republican party. The KKK were Democrats whose goal was to keep blacks from voting because up until the 1930s 90% of blacks voted for Republicans. The Civil rights act of 1964 passed because of Republican votes, the Democrats lead by Al Gore Sr. tried to fillibuster the bill. Also you mention Jackie Robinson who was a Republican and was publicly called an "Uncle Tom" by Democrats of the day. Even toda, the Liberal Democrat policy has destroyed the black family and any black who dares wonder off the reservation, like Clarence Thomas, et. al. are given a proper media lynching.

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keith a dewey

5:37 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Tim,
What do you believe I meant by hostility and militant? And where did I condone hostility and militant? From what source did you get that a denigrated group fighting back is racism? From you statements it seems that you have not studied in the field of Social Science. Also it seems you read my posts too quickly or enough lack of knowledge that it’s hard to grasp what I am saying. The latter is my fault. I believe I will post some Social Science facts maybe that will help.

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Tim Torrence

2:36 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

It is quite difficult to follow your posts I will admit. Your English grammar and sentence building techniques are shall we say, "one of a kind". (If English is not your first language allow me to apologize.) But then you go and use a word like "recalcitrant". Which tells me you either have trouble making a coherent thought appear on the screen in front of you or you are searching the internet and using the "copy and paste" feature liberally. More importantly I do not believe you have real life experience that would add value to this discussion. Because if you did you would not make such broad statements here and on other blogs. Good day to you sir I will continue to treat everyone I meet as an individual and you can attempt to categorize those around you to make yourself feel... how ever it makes you feel.

keith a dewey

5:45 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Drewgaf:

Racism is alive and well. Instead of 1850 hangings we have 2012 shootings.

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tom m

5:48 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

a minority shooting a minority is racism now

Damon koch

6:00 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Remember, Tom, the New York times invented the new category of White Hispanic in this case just to fit the left's template that everything is racially motivated. I guess the fact that 45% of all murders in the U.S. are young black males isn't a problem for the left unless they can somehow blame it on whites. Let's not forget that three major networks deliberately doctored audio and video evidence to advance the theory that this was a racial event. Then when they were caught, after having fanned the flames of hatred, they said it was an accident. Also let's not forget the fact that for the second time, the Attorney General of the United States chose to look the other way when a serious crime was committed by the New Black Panthers. How can anyone defend this administration?

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Ed Fisher

6:05 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

You're an American, or you're not. What is an Irish-American anyway ? Just another way to proclaim allegiance to something other than America. African-American is offensive in that it serves only to emphasize differences between races.

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tom m

8:25 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I think its fine to use it as long as you were actually born in the other country but if you are going back to parents or grandparents to claim your duel allegiance you come off sounding silly

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Tim Torrence

2:48 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

I guess I will be the one to explain. The term "Irish-American" refers to one's heritage. It is not a declaration of citizenship. Just as African-American refers to the fact that someone's ancestors came from Africa. One point that should be made clear though it is not a term of skin color. There are white migrants from Africa who fit that terminology. The term American can refer to many peoples such as Native Americans. But it can also refer to Canadians. If you are asked to declare your citizenship the proper response is, "I am a citizen of The United States of America". I hope this clears it up.

Alexandra

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

I am a proud Conservative Republican and I am disgusted by rascisim... I am both female and white. I do NOT support miltant Feminism, becasue I support people for who they are not because of their gender. I support Capitalism( if you need a lesson on it I have an husband who is a great entreprenuer who can give you a well thought out explaination on it, he too is a professor) :0)
I also hate it when people use Racism as a weapon for a reason they cannot achieve something. We have to accept people for who they are not the color of their skin. I question people because of ACTIONS not because of skin color. I really try to put myself in another's shoes and see things from their perspective, something I know most people do not do. Please stop painting the Republican party as a problem, I do not think ALL Democrats are a certain way. That is ALL or NOTHING thinking and it does not work.
We are in a very difficult period in this country and too many loose cannons can upset things. We need a calm and rational dialogue. We also need a balance. There are always two sides to everything. Why should the color of our skin matter?

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Ed Fisher

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

My opinion stands. As much as you may want to believe in the philosophy that hyphenating is acceptable with regard to "American", I do not. No one is going to refer to Charlize Theron as "African-American" even though she was born in South Africa because currently the term denotes blacks. Only. If one wishes to proclaim "heritage", fine. If you are of Irish heritage, why is it necessary to state that fact by placing it in front of American ? Your heritage is Irish, not Irish-American, correct ?

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Steve Sweetnich

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Racism does exist in America today....
I suggest to you that it is far more prevalent in the White House than most places...
Race relations have never been worse than under this President.
Please apply the same "critical thinking" to the POTUS

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Steve Sweetnich

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

I find Patrick's comment about "not understanding capitalism", as well as being a teacher, quite disturbing. Educating on youth while failing to appreciate the economic system, that despite it flaws, has easily elevated more people from poverty than ANY other system, is criminal. Perhaps he should stick to humour...he is not qualified, by his own admission, to discuss other topics.

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Ed Fisher

3:47 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Tim, my point is this: At the present time, the term "African-American" is used solely as reference to color. I understand your other analogies, but not one person would refer to someone like Charlize Theron as "African-American". And, come on, there's not a Canadian that refers to themselves as an American. My objection to the term as currently used to define race still stands. I think you got my point all along. Do you refer to your RACE as "Irish-American" ? Of course not.

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Ed Fisher

5:36 pm on Thursday, April 19, 2012

My apologies for the duplication in posts. My early post didn't appear for several hours, and I thought I had neglected to "submit".

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Le'ah Keturah-Sarah Krzywkowski

10:34 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

America has it's own special brand of racism, to be sure. And I think very few can actually pin point what that is. With a country dubbed 'the melting pot', the image of racist I think, would align itself with characteristic American values and ethics. Would anyone here say that American racism is different that South African racism? Nigerian? Indian? Middle Eastern? In my opinion it takes on a different shape, a unique dialogue that suits it's foundations, it's own troubled and cursed history.

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Earl Elevant

2:13 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

I haven't seen anyone anywhere point out that maybe Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he was Hispanic. Maybe that's what started this whole thing...

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Damon koch

8:42 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

No one but George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin knows exactly what happened that night. What we do know is facts about the aftermath.
1) CBS, NBC and CNN all deliberately doctored or misrepresented evidence from the event to make it appear that race played a part in the shooting.
2) The new black panthers broke state and Federal laws when they solicited kidnapping and murder with the bounty that they placed on George Zimmerman.
3) The President, or any other leader on the left, didn't critisize the new black panthers and the Attorney General did not bring charges against them.
4) The news media is guilty of portraying Trayvon as a child by only using pictures of him from when he was 12 and 13 years old. He was in fact a 6 foot 2 inch athletic youth on the cusp of manhood.
I think it is despicable that the left in this country tries to gain politically from tragedy, even as to go so far as to fabricate their own set of facts that fits their template.

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Jack Kelly

9:24 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

"I think it is despicable that the left in this country tries to gain politically from tragedy, even as to go so far as to fabricate their own set of facts that fits their template."

Pot, have you met kettle? Opinion (which majority of your response is) does NOT equate to facts.

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Earl Elevant

12:05 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Actually Jack, all four of Damon's numbered points are fact, not opinion.

Calling facts opinion just because they damage your ideology is really damaging to any tiny point you might accidentally stumble into.

James Thomas

10:35 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Mr. Kelly,
which of the four points presented by Mr. Koch are opinion? I have seen news articles supporting every one of them as fact.

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Jack Kelly

11:24 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Okay. I'll play along with wingnut talking points.

"CBS, NBC and CNN all deliberately doctored or misrepresented evidence from the event to make it appear that race played a part in the shooting."
"Deliberately doctored" is an opinion. The 9-1-1 call in question was EDITED, not doctored (no, not the same) If the uneducated wingnuts on the right want an example of "doctored" audio, they need to look no further than the person they're regurgitating: Rush.
People can decide if race is a factor based on Zimmerman's very-own language.

"The new black panthers broke state and Federal laws when they solicited kidnapping and murder with the bounty that they placed on George Zimmerman."

Actually, their so-called "bounty" is for the capture. Murder & kidnapping were not used that I've seen. The NPBB are irrelevant and, again, a regurgitated talking point from the uneducated right-wingers (like Hannity) who need something to whine about to cater to their dummy demographic.

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Earl Elevant

12:10 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

"Actually, their so-called "bounty" is for the capture. Murder & kidnapping were not used that I've seen."

And just how exactly would the black panthers "capture" him without kidnapping him?

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Damon koch

7:04 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Mr. Kelly,
The NBC handling of George Zimmerman's call to 911 the night of the shooting was most certainly doctored. Which is to say edited audio is cut in the interest of time without changing its meaning. What NBC did was to place parts of the audio together that didn't originally appear together for the expressed purpose of changing the meaning. I will give you that what ABC and CNN did was not doctoring but misreporting what was on the police video, in the case of ABC, and what was on the 911 audio in the case of CNN, for exactly the reason I stated above, i.e. to change the meaning to support the agenda that this was a race-related crime. And the New Black Panther's bounty was in the form of dead or alive, so they were inciting people to kidnap and then kill George Zimmerman. Also, you may convince more people of you view point if you would work more on the presentation of your arguments and less on being insulting to your intended audience.

Jack Kelly

11:30 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

"The President, or any other leader on the left, didn't critisize the new black panthers and the Attorney General did not bring charges against them."

Actually, many on the left have criticized them. But since the wingnuts are only interested in spewing what they've been fed, this is what they believe (sorta like how they believe they know what they're talking about or anything about the law). How about LEARNING the laws before criticizing someone for allegedly not upholding them. Why should the Pres. give this group the time of day? Oh, because he's a Dem and the ever-growing uneducated right-wing faction need something to whine about. But, hey, keep giving this group the attention.

"The news media is guilty of portraying Trayvon as a child by only using pictures of him from when he was 12 and 13 years old.
Opinion. Uhh..17 IS a child. His build doesn't change the fact he was a child. At first, those were the pics that were made available. Plenty of other pics have been used. But, again, this is an "issue" with the dummy demo on the right because they're being told this is an issue.
Because, as they continue to prove, they're too damn lazy/uneducated to actually think for themselves. So, they come on the internet and rehash what they heard (and spare me the BS it's not because I watch/listen to Hannity & Rush & know what they say).
So, people can sell their partisan crap to the morons who'll suck it up (market is plentiful there). I'll call it out!

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Earl Elevant

12:12 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

I couldn't find any substance in your post. Only spin.

Where are those facts you demand from others?

Try again please.

James Thomas

11:55 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Mr. Kelly,
"Actually, many on the left have criticized them. " Many journalists and pundits have but not President Obama or any leaders on the Left and there are still no arrests pending for members of the NBPP.
"Uhh..17 IS a child" is correct, but disingenuous. A 17 yr. old "child" is much closer to adult than to the child they were at 12-13.
Finally, "people can sell their partisan crap to the morons who'll suck it up", like you. To borrow your favorite term, who's the DQ here?

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Brandon Scullion

4:11 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

I tell you what, this conversation has devolved so much I'm afraid to even post something of relevance.

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Staci

4:27 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Thanks for such a candid, intelligent, honest post. Like it or not, this is reality in America. Great article, Patrick!

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Alexandra

7:11 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

Because of emotion...we all have injected our emotions and our agendas and bias,regardless into this.
I would hope truth would triumph, but the politica of the day would convict a potentially innocent man to suppress the emotions of the mob...one life for the greater good, despite the.stupidity or reality..

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Patrick Giusto

12:37 pm on Sunday, April 15, 2012

I realize my blogs tend to create a lot of controversy; but I'm privy to read the more insulting comments that get deleted from the posting, and I'm a little shocked at how mean-spirited some people are sometimes. So, here's a couple of thoughts I've had to try and get the discussion back on track:

1) For those comments directed at me, try and re-read the blog with a slightly more objective tone. I never explicitly said the Republicans were a party of racists. I made that a distinct point. And as far as my implications, I tried to punctuate them with a lot of "I don't knows," "ifs," and "maybes." In fact, I said we do not need accusations.
2) However, I am not the first person to suggest that a pattern is emerging within the GOP. Bill Cosby was on CNN today making almost identical points.
3) I did not, actually, start the racism debate. That was a joke-throwback to a previous satire I wrote on abortion. I didn't "start the fire." It's been always burning, since the world's been turning.
4) Speaking of jokes, that whole "I'm a teacher, I don't understand capitalism" thing? That's a joke, too. You know, because we don't get paid a lot? Get it! Slap a knee, everybody.
5) I'm not calling for a McCarthy-esque Congressional Hearing on Racism in the Republican Party. I'm calling for an extended media discussion. We all know Congress is too busy debating steroids in baseball and whether or not college football should have a playoff system.

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Steve Sweetnich

8:38 am on Monday, April 16, 2012

Patrick...stick to humor...don't leave your day job...

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Brandon Scullion

9:15 am on Monday, April 16, 2012

Patrick, keep doing what you are doing. It's your right as an American.

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James Thomas

10:45 am on Monday, April 16, 2012

Patrick,
you are a coward. I have, as you requested, reread your article. You hide behind "plausible liberal deniability" when you say you never "explicitly said the Republicans were a party of racists" but that was the whole, uncut cloth of your article. Yes, you ARE calling for a McCarthy-esque, guilt by association response from the unquestioning liberal, lapdog media. If you do not recognize that fact then you are the problem.

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James Thomas

11:27 am on Monday, April 16, 2012

Patrick,
"I'm a little shocked at how mean-spirited some people are sometimes." Funny, coming from someone as mean-spirited as you are where Republicans are concerned.

Alexandra

11:42 am on Monday, April 16, 2012

People must drop the misconception that racism is a democrat or republican issue...racism comes from ALL walks of life....people have their own agendas in life or that affects their wallets, I am a struggling, anti racist republican. I dispise any abuses.

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Chris (Kit) Myers

5:18 pm on Friday, May 25, 2012

I have light skin. I do not look upon myself as a white man. I look upon myself as a man. If people started looking upon themselves as simply man or woman without the skin color baloney, this country would be far better off. A good man/woman is a good man/woman no matter the pigment in his/her skin. A louse is a louse no matter the pigment in his/her skin. A thug is a thug no matter pigment in his/her skin.

I really resent people who state that all people with my pigment have racism in them. You know not of what you speak.

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